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Castles & Crusades vs Pathfinder First Edition

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Castles & CrusadesPathfinder First Edition
GenreFantasyFantasy
TagsHeroic, Dungeon Crawl, Character Building, High-Fantasy, Theater of the Mind, Vancian CastingTactical, Crunchy, Character Building, High-Fantasy, Classic Fantasy, Dungeon Crawl, Vancian Casting
Core MechanicSIEGE Engine: roll d20 + modifier + level vs. Challenge Class (12 for primary attributes, 18 for secondary). Primary/secondary attribute distinction replaces complex skill lists with a single unified check system.Most uncertain actions roll a d20, add relevant modifiers, and compare the total with a target or opposing result. Difficulty Class, Armor Class, and Combat Maneuver Defense are common targets; natural 1s and 20s can override some comparisons.
Diced20d20
ComplexityLowVery High
AvailabilityFree core rulesFree core rules
Runnability4 of 5 book tools5 of 5 book tools
LicenseOGL 1.0aOpen Game License 1.0a
Third-Party PublishingNot yet researchedNot yet researched
PublisherTroll Lord GamesPaizo Publishing, LLC
Year20042009
LanguagesEnglishEnglish, French, German, Italian, Russian, Spanish
Best ForGroups wanting the classic AD&D feel with streamlined, unified mechanics: old-school spirit with modern ease of play.Groups who want long fantasy campaigns centered on detailed character development and tactical grid combat.
HighlightsSIEGE Engine unifies all attribute checks, easy to convert AD&D/d20 content, 13 classes with classic archetypes, fast character creation, large back-catalog of adventuresEleven core classes progress through twenty levels with interlocking feat and class choices that support specialized builds. Combat makes positioning and turn timing consequential through attacks of opportunity and combat maneuvers. Prepared and spontaneous spellcasting draw from hundreds of level-gated spells, giving magical classes distinct planning and resource cycles.
ConsiderationsPrimary/secondary attribute split can feel arbitrary, limited non-fantasy supportCharacter creation and advancement require cross-checking large option catalogs and prerequisites, which can front-load decision making. Combat combines situational modifiers with nested action and exception rules, which can slow adjudication. High-level play layers additional character abilities and magical options, increasing preparation for players and GMs.